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Cops badly burn sleeping 12-year-old girl with stun grenade in SWAT raid
Police using a stun grenade to subdue the occupants of a Billings, Montana house in a drug raid burned a 12-year-old girl with the device.  According to the Missoulian, the girl was sleeping on the floor of her sister’s room when the device went off, causing first and second degree burns over one side of her body.
“She has first- and second-degree burns down the left side of her body and on her arms,” the girl’s mother, Jackie Fasching, told the paper.  ”She’s got severe pain. Every time I think about it, it brings tears to my eyes.”
Images at the Missoulian website (WARNING: Graphic) show the girl’s torso mottled with black and red burns, as well as the hole blown in her sister’s wall when the concussion grenade detonated.
Stun or “flash-bang” grenades are typically used by police as a non-lethal means of disorienting and confusing the occupants of a house or building prior to a raid.  An officer was extending the bomb into the room on the end of a stick when he dropped it on the floor.
Billings Police Chief Rich St. John, who said that Tuesday’s pre-dawn raid on the house was part of “an ongoing narcotics investigation” told the Missoulian that typically the grenades are not so close to people, let alone minors, when they go off.
“It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable,” he said. “We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured.”
According to the Missoulian, the officer charged with deploying the grenade didn’t understand that there would be a delay before the device went off.  Thinking it was a dud, he dropped it on the floor next to the sleeping girl while he went to get a second device.  Seconds later, it exploded, terrifying both girls and sending one to the hospital burn unit.
The family protests that they were not only not harboring a drug operation, but were attempting to cooperate with the police.
“A simple knock on the door and I would’ve let them in,” said Fasching, who was home with her husband and two daughters at the time of the raid.  ”They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would’ve checked, they would’ve known there’s not.”
Fasching said that her husband, who is disabled, was in the process of opening the front door for the officers when they knocked it down.
St. John insists that the department had done adequate research on the house and its inhabitants, but  said, “The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room.  We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they’re present.”
“The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time,” he said.
Fasching said that the raid has left her and the two girls with unshakeable feelings of anxiety and fear.
“I’m going to have to take them to counseling,” she said. “They’re never going to get over that.”
No arrests were made or charges filed against anyone in the house, although St. John said that some evidence was recovered.  He declined to give specifics and said that the department would “take care of” any mistakes it might have made.
Fasching has filed a claim with the city and is considering legal action, but said that her primary concern, right now, is with her daughters.
“I would like to see whoever threw those grenades in my daughter’s room be reprimanded,” the Missoulianquotes her as saying. “If anybody else did that it would be aggravated assault. I just want to see that the city is held accountable for what they did to my children.”

police are terrorists.

Police aren’t terrorists. They fucked up this time - especially so with letting the idiot who apparently hasn’t even played a VIOLENT VIDEO GAME use the stun grenade - and they do mess up a lot. But they are primarily working for the good of the people. Sometimes they get misled, and that happens to everyone. But you’re going to compare one case of accidentally injuring a child to the people who just shot a little girl in the head for wanting to go to school? The people who have BOMBED TWO THOUSAND of their own schools? The men who purposefully killed THOUSANDS of people and arguably DID destroy some of the freedoms for which our nation stands? That’s hardly fair.

The police aren’t terrorists for you. Big whoop. Go look up police brutality stats for POC in New York, LA, or Chicago. Matter of fact, look them up for every city with a significant population of people who aren’t white. Note the deaths (Aiyana Jones was shot in the head for being in her house, Kathryn Stockton was shot for being at home when the police got the wrong house, Sean Bell, Abner Louima, Lenard Clark, Rodney King, any number of Latinos have all been abused or killed for having contact with the police), and then talk about what’s fair. Or you could just shut the fuck up. That works too.

Okay, first off, I don’t see why people are getting so mad at me about this. Yes, it’s an intensely emotional topic, I see that. But I’m basically uninformed, not deliberately ignoring your side of the topic. A bit of politeness wouldn’t go too far out of hand.
I did a bit of reading before responding to this. First off: Aiyana Jones was shot because the officers were stupid and in a ‘Hollywood’ mood, trying to provide a good show for the TV cameras that were somehow allowed to go on a raid with them. I’m gonna go ahead and say that letting a TV crew follow a SWAT team in is a bad idea for a variety of reasons, and shouldn’t happen. I couldn’t find anything about Kathryn Stockton’s death, which strikes me as odd - I’m usually pretty good at finding things online. I’m going to assume I either typed the name wrong, or there’s an odd media bias involved here.
But I’ll wrap this up: terrorists are people that, on the whole, set out to mess things up. Their goal is destruction, chaos, anarchy. On a less-grand scale, they want death and sorrow for as many people as they can possibly arrange for. A police officer doesn’t want that, even if they occasionally do cause it. A cop sets out to create order, ensure the following of laws. Yes, they do go overboard, violently, tragically so. But considering the amount of work the average cop does - I recall at one point a metropolitan police station set up their computer system to automatically tweet every report that came in and was dealt with, and they had to have six twitter accounts for it, because it hit the daily tweet limit - these incidents are rare. Don’t generalize so harshly, is the message, that I suppose I’m aiming for.

When you’re part of the group that has to worry about police mistakes leading to your death with no consequences then maybe you’ll get it. And your understanding of terrorism is so fucking basic I don’t know where to begin. Go read up on how groups resort to violence against the state again, & note that many “terrorists” would describe themselves as fighting back against horror perpetrated on their communities by people in authority. Or you could shut the fuck up.

I tried for a well-mannered debate. And I get cussed at again. Even after explicitly STATING that I don’t know things, and always being clear that I enjoy learning things, you tell me that I’m basically too stupid to be helped. I’m done arguing with you. If anyone more mature would like to step in and have a discussion with me, feel free.

This isn’t an academic exercise. This is my life. This is the lives of my friends & family. I’m not here to teach your willfully ignorant ass nicely. Who lied to you & told you that this was a classroom where I’m getting paid to educate someone who clearly isn’t interested in listening. Or doing any of their own heavy lifting. The things you’re saying are insulting & offensive, the difference is I’m willing to be direct in my disdain while you want to pretend that the way to be “fair” is to ignore the impact & volume of police assaults. You want to talk fairness? Please tell me what’s fair about children dying because the cops aren’t being stopped?

grey280: “Prove to me that this “police brutality” you claim exists actually exists!”
LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU

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Cops badly burn sleeping 12-year-old girl with stun grenade in SWAT raid

Police using a stun grenade to subdue the occupants of a Billings, Montana house in a drug raid burned a 12-year-old girl with the device.  According to the Missoulian, the girl was sleeping on the floor of her sister’s room when the device went off, causing first and second degree burns over one side of her body.

“She has first- and second-degree burns down the left side of her body and on her arms,” the girl’s mother, Jackie Fasching, told the paper.  ”She’s got severe pain. Every time I think about it, it brings tears to my eyes.”

Images at the Missoulian website (WARNING: Graphic) show the girl’s torso mottled with black and red burns, as well as the hole blown in her sister’s wall when the concussion grenade detonated.

Stun or “flash-bang” grenades are typically used by police as a non-lethal means of disorienting and confusing the occupants of a house or building prior to a raid.  An officer was extending the bomb into the room on the end of a stick when he dropped it on the floor.

Billings Police Chief Rich St. John, who said that Tuesday’s pre-dawn raid on the house was part of “an ongoing narcotics investigation” told the Missoulian that typically the grenades are not so close to people, let alone minors, when they go off.

“It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable,” he said. “We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured.”

According to the Missoulian, the officer charged with deploying the grenade didn’t understand that there would be a delay before the device went off.  Thinking it was a dud, he dropped it on the floor next to the sleeping girl while he went to get a second device.  Seconds later, it exploded, terrifying both girls and sending one to the hospital burn unit.

The family protests that they were not only not harboring a drug operation, but were attempting to cooperate with the police.

“A simple knock on the door and I would’ve let them in,” said Fasching, who was home with her husband and two daughters at the time of the raid.  ”They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would’ve checked, they would’ve known there’s not.”

Fasching said that her husband, who is disabled, was in the process of opening the front door for the officers when they knocked it down.

St. John insists that the department had done adequate research on the house and its inhabitants, but  said, “The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room.  We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they’re present.”

“The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time,” he said.

Fasching said that the raid has left her and the two girls with unshakeable feelings of anxiety and fear.

“I’m going to have to take them to counseling,” she said. “They’re never going to get over that.”

No arrests were made or charges filed against anyone in the house, although St. John said that some evidence was recovered.  He declined to give specifics and said that the department would “take care of” any mistakes it might have made.

Fasching has filed a claim with the city and is considering legal action, but said that her primary concern, right now, is with her daughters.

“I would like to see whoever threw those grenades in my daughter’s room be reprimanded,” the Missoulianquotes her as saying. “If anybody else did that it would be aggravated assault. I just want to see that the city is held accountable for what they did to my children.”

police are terrorists.

Police aren’t terrorists. They fucked up this time - especially so with letting the idiot who apparently hasn’t even played a VIOLENT VIDEO GAME use the stun grenade - and they do mess up a lot. But they are primarily working for the good of the people. Sometimes they get misled, and that happens to everyone. But you’re going to compare one case of accidentally injuring a child to the people who just shot a little girl in the head for wanting to go to school? The people who have BOMBED TWO THOUSAND of their own schools? The men who purposefully killed THOUSANDS of people and arguably DID destroy some of the freedoms for which our nation stands? That’s hardly fair.

The police aren’t terrorists for you. Big whoop. Go look up police brutality stats for POC in New York, LA, or Chicago. Matter of fact, look them up for every city with a significant population of people who aren’t white. Note the deaths (Aiyana Jones was shot in the head for being in her house, Kathryn Stockton was shot for being at home when the police got the wrong house, Sean Bell, Abner Louima, Lenard Clark, Rodney King, any number of Latinos have all been abused or killed for having contact with the police), and then talk about what’s fair. Or you could just shut the fuck up. That works too.

Okay, first off, I don’t see why people are getting so mad at me about this. Yes, it’s an intensely emotional topic, I see that. But I’m basically uninformed, not deliberately ignoring your side of the topic. A bit of politeness wouldn’t go too far out of hand.

I did a bit of reading before responding to this. First off: Aiyana Jones was shot because the officers were stupid and in a ‘Hollywood’ mood, trying to provide a good show for the TV cameras that were somehow allowed to go on a raid with them. I’m gonna go ahead and say that letting a TV crew follow a SWAT team in is a bad idea for a variety of reasons, and shouldn’t happen. I couldn’t find anything about Kathryn Stockton’s death, which strikes me as odd - I’m usually pretty good at finding things online. I’m going to assume I either typed the name wrong, or there’s an odd media bias involved here.

But I’ll wrap this up: terrorists are people that, on the whole, set out to mess things up. Their goal is destruction, chaos, anarchy. On a less-grand scale, they want death and sorrow for as many people as they can possibly arrange for. A police officer doesn’t want that, even if they occasionally do cause it. A cop sets out to create order, ensure the following of laws. Yes, they do go overboard, violently, tragically so. But considering the amount of work the average cop does - I recall at one point a metropolitan police station set up their computer system to automatically tweet every report that came in and was dealt with, and they had to have six twitter accounts for it, because it hit the daily tweet limit - these incidents are rare. Don’t generalize so harshly, is the message, that I suppose I’m aiming for.

When you’re part of the group that has to worry about police mistakes leading to your death with no consequences then maybe you’ll get it. And your understanding of terrorism is so fucking basic I don’t know where to begin. Go read up on how groups resort to violence against the state again, & note that many “terrorists” would describe themselves as fighting back against horror perpetrated on their communities by people in authority. Or you could shut the fuck up.

I tried for a well-mannered debate. And I get cussed at again. Even after explicitly STATING that I don’t know things, and always being clear that I enjoy learning things, you tell me that I’m basically too stupid to be helped. I’m done arguing with you. If anyone more mature would like to step in and have a discussion with me, feel free.

This isn’t an academic exercise. This is my life. This is the lives of my friends & family. I’m not here to teach your willfully ignorant ass nicely. Who lied to you & told you that this was a classroom where I’m getting paid to educate someone who clearly isn’t interested in listening. Or doing any of their own heavy lifting. The things you’re saying are insulting & offensive, the difference is I’m willing to be direct in my disdain while you want to pretend that the way to be “fair” is to ignore the impact & volume of police assaults. You want to talk fairness? Please tell me what’s fair about children dying because the cops aren’t being stopped?

grey280: “Prove to me that this “police brutality” you claim exists actually exists!”

LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU