And I’m fine with that, up to a certain point. But leading up to and right after the election, I kinda casually mentioned to him, “I’m gonna give you two ideas and a question. 1. All women are white. 2. all people of color are men. 3. Is Jon Stewart speaking to a man or a woman? Okay, now let’s watch the show and tell me how many times the first two ideas are reinforced, and give me an answer to the third question.”
After the show, he turns to me and goes
and i’m like
see also that Jon Stewart is an evil, evil bastard, and that that matters when two thirds of his show is hyuk hyuk i feel the same way you do lookit those dumdums amirite ooh look i screwed up my joke Just Like A Regular Guy
he’s basically a concern troll except more insidiously proactive and hateful
I can’t say that I hate the dude but a lot of his shit is mad tired and pretty worn-out. As he ages it seems like he’s starting to infringe of some Bill Maher territory, just misogynist and gross and kinda like, “we’re all br0s here, hurflehurflehurfle!”
I tend to imagine that Stephen Colbert is probably a pleasanter person as an actual human being, and also I admire his willingness to tear down religious bigots with his bible-learnin’. Also, he’s Catholic, and I’ve had some fairly good experiences with Catholic people. They’re quite pragmatic for Christians, kinda like, “well sure if you asked me, I think you’re going to hell, but it’s not like I’m gonna give you a speech about it. More heaven for me!”
Also, he had Nuns on the Bus on his show, and seems much more in the spirit of modern American Catholicism, which I’ve found to be very social justice-oriented, positive and focused on putting their time and resources into communities. Hence the Vatican denouncing them as having a “radical feminist agenda”.
warning that this is a bunch of words about why i do have a special hatred for stewart that isn’t really needed to be read and might be more about my own projections than about the realities of the two men
yeah, colbert is much more real as a person. I like to say it as that Colbert lets his performance do the talking, his persona. Whereas unless you enjoy watching a self-conscious New York Jew talk about himself, you won’t be quite as able to enjoy Stewart.
What I think is very insidious about Stewart is that patriotism and MURRIKA-ness runs very deep in him. He makes his home in what is comfortable for his audience to hear. And you get a lot of liberals appreciating him. And that Colbert by his persona’s nature is more often going to make the relaxing liberal uncomfortable. At the least, I have the sense that both liberals and ‘sane conservatives’ appreciate his approach, and can be equally unsettled by his approach. And that’s good.
I really like the idea that the best humor should unsettle and disturb the privileged and powerful. And what they’re famous for apart from their shows speaks to why I favor one and much dislike the other.
Colbert went in front of the motherfucking president of the united states and mocked him to his face regarding every controversial and touchy issue of the day.
Jon Stewart went on a painfully worthless TV show and beat a dead horse of a show that was built around unlikable people arguing with one another, two weeks before the show was getting canceled anyway, earning the approval of the studio audience that had come to watch the show. Now he has ‘debates’ with Bill O’Reilly, literally presenting himself as the avatar of mainstream American Democrats the way that O’Reilly is an avatar of the mainstream American right. As far as I know, he still talks about how he doesn’t have responsibility as a defining influence on America because, as he said on Crossfire, “the lead-in to my show used to be puppets making prank phone calls [AUDIENCE LAUGHTER]”.
The way I see it is, Jon Stewart is self-conscious white cis male activism done without fully acknowledging its fuckery. Colbert is self-conscious white cis male activism done with some awareness, groundedness and everything that goes along with the positive stereotype of Catholics.
Jon Stewart is the embodiment of the quote ‘irony is the song of a bird that has come to love its cage’. Colbert is a performer with genuine respect and decency, and who, as far as can be told from his style of performance, takes pride in fully embarrassing himself while in character.
Colbert > Stewart deal with it
Yesssss, actually this is well-put!
Colbert, while he does stay fucking up and has said several things that hurt and disappointed me, he makes white liberals uncomfortable.
Every time he starts to look like he’s patting himself (and vicariously, his viewers) on the back, he’ll bust out with some shit like, “I don’t see race, not even my own! People tell me I’m white, and I believe them because I look both ways before I talk about race.”
He’s not only mocking white mega-rich conservatives, he’s also mocking supposedly enlightened white liberals who are watching his show.
That being said, I never forget that this stuff is coming out of the mouth of a rich, white Christian man in his 40’s. But (and I’m probably giving him FAR too much credit) he seems to try and remind his audience of that, too.