"I asked all of the gay male students in the room to raise their hand if in the past week they touched a woman’s body without her consent. After a moment of hesitation, all of the hands of the gay men in the room went up. I then asked the same gay men to raise their hand if in the past week they offered a woman unsolicited advice about how to “improve” her body or her fashion. Once again, after a moment of hesitation, all of the hands in the room went up.

These questions came after a brief exploration of gay men’s relationship to American fashion and women’s bodies. That dialogue included recognizing that gay men in the United States are often hailed as the experts of women’s fashion and by proxy women’s bodies. In addition to this there is a dominant logic that suggests that because gay men have no conscious desire to be sexually intimate with women, our uninvited touching and groping (physical assault) is benign."

Gay Men’s Sexism and Women’s Bodies by Yolo Akili (via plightofthepretty)

(via duelswords)

shwetanarayan:

wildunicornherd:

ktempest:

knitmeapony:

Today in what in the unacceptable fuck: this is Locus Magazine’s idea of an April Fools Day joke.  The article was gone in under an hour, though it was here.
No.
Just.
No.  
Do I even have to explain how wrong this is?
Transcript below the cut.
Read More

Reblogging this version as it contains a transcript.

context: the author is fan of note Lawrence Person (cite, cite), who is apparently still real mad about the Elizabeth Moon thing literally two Wiscons ago. (**tl:dr;** she was a guest author, wrote something Islamophobic, got disinvited after much kerfuffle.)
Locus has apologized, explaining that they did not see it before it went up and they had the web editor pull it ASAP.
gee, I wonder why the old-school sf scene is so white and male

I’d been wondering how directly this was a response to Moonfail.

  considering i didn’t even know about that Elizabeth Moon bullshit, I’m glad I saw this post. I actually own one of her books. :/

shwetanarayan:

wildunicornherd:

ktempest:

knitmeapony:

Today in what in the unacceptable fuck: this is Locus Magazine’s idea of an April Fools Day joke.  The article was gone in under an hour, though it was here.

No.

Just.

No.  

Do I even have to explain how wrong this is?

Transcript below the cut.

Read More

Reblogging this version as it contains a transcript.

context: the author is fan of note Lawrence Person (cite, cite), who is apparently still real mad about the Elizabeth Moon thing literally two Wiscons ago. (**tl:dr;** she was a guest author, wrote something Islamophobic, got disinvited after much kerfuffle.)

Locus has apologized, explaining that they did not see it before it went up and they had the web editor pull it ASAP.

gee, I wonder why the old-school sf scene is so white and male

I’d been wondering how directly this was a response to Moonfail.

feministpixie:

Nope.
nope nope nope.
sexism, racism, and other forms of oppression are not based on being “unkind” to certain kinds of people. That is a teeny, tiny, minuscule effect of oppression.
Oppression is the systematic, institutionalized, and ubiquitous devaluing and disenfranchising of particular groups. It’s not just some guy telling some girl that she’s stupid. Its the entire culture telling all girls that they are are shallow, brainless objects who are only valuable in the desires of a man. Racism isn’t some white person telling some black person they’re worthless. It’s the entire culture basing their concept of beauty on whiteness and talking about “the black community” as synonymous with crime and poverty. 
Saying we shouldn’t worry about racism and sexism is basically saying “I want to ignore the fact that some people are systematically disenfranchised because it makes me uncomfortable.” But guess what? Those -isms are still there. It may sound nice to say “but we’re all people!” and yeah, we are. But not all of us get treated like people.  
Your words do not exist in a vacuum. They do not exist without context. Oppression is not a matter of kindness or unkindness. Its about power structures constantly shitting on certain groups while giving others immense privileges. And that’s not going to go away if we all just hold hands and sing kumbaya together. 

feministpixie:

Nope.

nope nope nope.

sexism, racism, and other forms of oppression are not based on being “unkind” to certain kinds of people. That is a teeny, tiny, minuscule effect of oppression.

Oppression is the systematic, institutionalized, and ubiquitous devaluing and disenfranchising of particular groups. It’s not just some guy telling some girl that she’s stupid. Its the entire culture telling all girls that they are are shallow, brainless objects who are only valuable in the desires of a man. Racism isn’t some white person telling some black person they’re worthless. It’s the entire culture basing their concept of beauty on whiteness and talking about “the black community” as synonymous with crime and poverty. 

Saying we shouldn’t worry about racism and sexism is basically saying “I want to ignore the fact that some people are systematically disenfranchised because it makes me uncomfortable.” But guess what? Those -isms are still there. It may sound nice to say “but we’re all people!” and yeah, we are. But not all of us get treated like people.  

Your words do not exist in a vacuum. They do not exist without context. Oppression is not a matter of kindness or unkindness. Its about power structures constantly shitting on certain groups while giving others immense privileges. And that’s not going to go away if we all just hold hands and sing kumbaya together. 

(Source: flowers-for-mr-ukki, via eshusplayground)

stfuconservatives:

cruelyouth:

ceepolk:

thinkspeakstress:

trubr0wn:

invisibleblackunicorn:

trubr0wn:

madamethursday:

[Image: A picture of a tall, very thin Black woman with her shoulder over a shorter, older white man wearing traditional Orthodox Jewish clothing on a New York sideway.]
staghunts:

“This one is very serious, guys:
I came upon these two on the sidewalk. They were having a conversation. “Excuse me,” I said, addressing the girl: “I’m sorry to interrupt, but is there anyway I can take your photo?”
“Why would you want my photo?” she asked.
“Because you look beautiful,” I said. And she did. She was Sudanese. There is a very distinct beauty among people from the Sudan, and she was filled up with it. Suddenly the man cut in: 
“I was just telling her she was beautiful,” he said. 
Naively, I assumed I had just walked up on one stranger giving a compliment to another. I wanted to capture the moment. “Let me take your photograph together,” I said. The man seemed reluctant, he started smiling nervously and inching away. But the girl called him back. 
“Come take a picture with me,” she said. Encouraged by her attention, he returned. She put her arm around him, and I took the photo.
As I examined the photos on my camera, the man started whispering to the girl. She answered him in a loud voice: “I told you! I’m not that kind of girl.” She seemed agitated now. Finally sensing that I had misread the situation, I stepped between them. The man began hurrying down the sidewalk.
When the man left, the girl’s demeanor changed completely. She seemed shaken. Her eyes were tearing up. “He just offered me five hundred dollars to go out with him,” she said. “And then when I said ‘no,’ he offered me one thousand. Why does this always happen to me?”
“It happens a lot?” I asked.
“All the time,” she said. “I’m sorry I’m getting emotional. I just can’t go out of my house without this kind of thing happening. I have a son. I’m a mother. I would never degrade myself like that. I just don’t understand why this keeps happening.”
“Do you mind if I tell this story?” I asked.
“Please,” she said. “Tell it.”
Let’s hope this man, and all men, realize the emotional damage they are inflicting on the women they try to buy. In the meantime, feel free to SHARE.*
Dear Tumblr, fuck you for trying to erase this. 

I’m saving this post because as many times as Tumblr tries to erase this woman’s story and act like anything about this was okay, that’s as many times as I’m reposting it. They can either cut me off or stop being assnuggets about this. whichEVER. 

i will always reblog this. because if this woman were white, the mass-erasure of this image and story would not be happening. and that just speaks volumes to me. the bigotry that contributes to this woman’s constant harassment is the same bigotry that led to the erasure of this story in order to ‘protect’ this man. they are COMPLETELY connected. this is a vicious cycle that perpetuates anti-blackness and the degradation and silencing of black women and women of color as a whole.

oh look trubr0wn just deployed more truth bombs.

i am the truth bomb terrorist.

NOT erase this woman’s story just because HONY is a bigot who is full of shit. Tumblr staff is full of shit. They are ALL full of shit. And fuck every single one of you shitty people for thinking that you’re going to win. You will NOT.

Hey this disappeared off my tumblr how strange
anyway, here it is again, supporting this lovely lady who has to put up with this crap just because she exists and goes outside, and to call shame on a society that would actually force her to put her arm around the creep who just upped his price after she told him that she wouldn’t whore for him
Here it is, calling attention to the FACT that the aggressor, the perpetrator of this outrage was the one protected, and the victim is just supposed to disappear
To that I say no
no
Open season on Black women is OVER.

I’m going to back up my Tumblr.
But I just want to see if Tumblr will ignore the e-mail I just wrote to them getting unwanted messages by users I’ve told to leave me alone and will send me another e-mail about “violating copyright,” if not try to delete my blog for reblogging this picture and story that needs to be seen and heard.
I’m not claiming ownership of anything, BTW.  Picture, story behind the picture, and the erasure of the picture copyrighted2012 by humansofnewyork.tumblr.com .  And reblogging this picture has an educational reason behind it — to show how black women are dehumanized, and then silenced if they ever speak out.

Tumblr deleted this post from everyone’s blog. Here it is again. And people have saved copies to their computers, including me. Story’s not going away. The internet is forever.
-Jess

stfuconservatives:

cruelyouth:

ceepolk:

thinkspeakstress:

trubr0wn:

invisibleblackunicorn:

trubr0wn:

madamethursday:

[Image: A picture of a tall, very thin Black woman with her shoulder over a shorter, older white man wearing traditional Orthodox Jewish clothing on a New York sideway.]

staghunts:

“This one is very serious, guys:

I came upon these two on the sidewalk. They were having a conversation. “Excuse me,” I said, addressing the girl: “I’m sorry to interrupt, but is there anyway I can take your photo?”

“Why would you want my photo?” she asked.

“Because you look beautiful,” I said. And she did. She was Sudanese. There is a very distinct beauty among people from the Sudan, and she was filled up with it. Suddenly the man cut in: 

“I was just telling her she was beautiful,” he said. 

Naively, I assumed I had just walked up on one stranger giving a compliment to another. I wanted to capture the moment. “Let me take your photograph together,” I said. The man seemed reluctant, he started smiling nervously and inching away. But the girl called him back. 

“Come take a picture with me,” she said. Encouraged by her attention, he returned. She put her arm around him, and I took the photo.

As I examined the photos on my camera, the man started whispering to the girl. She answered him in a loud voice: “I told you! I’m not that kind of girl.” She seemed agitated now. Finally sensing that I had misread the situation, I stepped between them. The man began hurrying down the sidewalk.

When the man left, the girl’s demeanor changed completely. She seemed shaken. Her eyes were tearing up. “He just offered me five hundred dollars to go out with him,” she said. “And then when I said ‘no,’ he offered me one thousand. Why does this always happen to me?”

“It happens a lot?” I asked.

“All the time,” she said. “I’m sorry I’m getting emotional. I just can’t go out of my house without this kind of thing happening. I have a son. I’m a mother. I would never degrade myself like that. I just don’t understand why this keeps happening.”

“Do you mind if I tell this story?” I asked.

“Please,” she said. “Tell it.”

Let’s hope this man, and all men, realize the emotional damage they are inflicting on the women they try to buy. In the meantime, feel free to SHARE.*

Dear Tumblr, fuck you for trying to erase this. 

I’m saving this post because as many times as Tumblr tries to erase this woman’s story and act like anything about this was okay, that’s as many times as I’m reposting it. They can either cut me off or stop being assnuggets about this. whichEVER. 

i will always reblog this. because if this woman were white, the mass-erasure of this image and story would not be happening. and that just speaks volumes to me. the bigotry that contributes to this woman’s constant harassment is the same bigotry that led to the erasure of this story in order to ‘protect’ this man. they are COMPLETELY connected. this is a vicious cycle that perpetuates anti-blackness and the degradation and silencing of black women and women of color as a whole.

oh look trubr0wn just deployed more truth bombs.

i am the truth bomb terrorist.

NOT erase this woman’s story just because HONY is a bigot who is full of shit. Tumblr staff is full of shit. They are ALL full of shit. And fuck every single one of you shitty people for thinking that you’re going to win. You will NOT.

Hey this disappeared off my tumblr how strange

anyway, here it is again, supporting this lovely lady who has to put up with this crap just because she exists and goes outside, and to call shame on a society that would actually force her to put her arm around the creep who just upped his price after she told him that she wouldn’t whore for him

Here it is, calling attention to the FACT that the aggressor, the perpetrator of this outrage was the one protected, and the victim is just supposed to disappear

To that I say no

no

Open season on Black women is OVER.

I’m going to back up my Tumblr.

But I just want to see if Tumblr will ignore the e-mail I just wrote to them getting unwanted messages by users I’ve told to leave me alone and will send me another e-mail about “violating copyright,” if not try to delete my blog for reblogging this picture and story that needs to be seen and heard.

I’m not claiming ownership of anything, BTW.  Picture, story behind the picture, and the erasure of the picture copyrighted2012 by humansofnewyork.tumblr.com .  And reblogging this picture has an educational reason behind it — to show how black women are dehumanized, and then silenced if they ever speak out.

Tumblr deleted this post from everyone’s blog. Here it is again. And people have saved copies to their computers, including me. Story’s not going away. The internet is forever.

-Jess

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nitroglycerin-trucks:

My reaction to today, online, offline, and both

image

And let me say this —

Why the hell do you think you get out of racism by saying you “don’t like Internet SJ”?  I saw the post that apparently caused whatever went down, I saw posts about the aftermath, and all I got out of it was A VERY GOOD POST leading to “I hate this community” posts.  ‘kay.

I don’t even understand you.  Enlighten me, or own up.

I am SPECIFICALLY talking to the #actuallyautistic tag in reference to the “I hate this community” crap.

It’s been a problem in the community before, but in the past white autistic people have been considerate enough to send me private messages asking respectful questions, and I’ve had no problem answering them. At the VERY least, I’ve received replies like, “thank you’ll, I’ll shut up since I don’t know enough to comment on this without hurting people”.

Most of the people in the “actuallyautistic” tag have experienced ableism. Some experience ableism AND sexism/misogyny. And some of them experience ableism AND sexism AND racism AND homophobia AND transphobia…

And that should be respected, instead of perpetrated withIN the community!

I think I have a right to say things like, “I think what you’re saying is problematic, can you respond?” without having that response be “how DARE you attack me!” and being called a “st*pid b*tch” for getting angry.

I also think I have the right to the basic expectation that people in the “actuallyautistic” tag NOT be racist. 90% of the response to my post was “Thanks for being specific”.

Why should I *lower* my expectations for my fellow autistics?

(Source: mommy-cuteella)

[still talking shit and then deleting it] zackerygorrell’s still going; now is laughing about calling me a “bitch”, and laughing at me being angry at being called a bitch.

[hahahahahahahahahaha omg you’re mad I called you a bitch but you threw a 100 curse words at me. I totally saw that coming. Yes, you are just getting mad for the sake of it at this point. I’m saying time and time again that I didn’t mean it the way you took it and trying to explain what I actually meant. Like I said, whatever floats your boat! I’m done with this stupidity. I’m not getting bashed for something I didn’t mean or say just because you thought I meant it.]

Because a White Autistic guy calling an Autistic Woman of Color “a bitch” and “stupid” totally can’t be oppression because Autism.

And I’m a stupid bitch for saying otherwise.

actually, to clarify: I’m a BITCH for calling his shit out; I’m “stupid” for GETTING ANGRY AT BEING CALLED A BITCH.

oooooookay then

P.S. once again, you should not be taking this dude’s advice, despite the fact that he runs a fucking advice blog.

P.P.S. EXACTLY ZERO PEOPLE WERE “SURPRISED” THAT YOU CALLED AN AUTISTIC WOC A BITCH AND STUPID, INCLUDING YOU, BECAUSE THAT TRAIN’S NEVER LATE.

nitroglycerin-trucks:

Something that can happen to autistic people, especially females and those raised as female, is a determination to learn social skills fluently that is translated into learning a combination of politeness/manners/protocol/passivity/etc fluently.  The people who go this route become like the people who don’t speak your language as a first language but speak it “better” than you do, albeit not the way most folks actually speak it.  You can tell something is different.

And in regards to autistic people who do this thinking “social skills” means “getting people to like me or at least not hurt me”, there is this idea en masse that they’re just fake altogether.  This is supposedly proven by the dents in the armor, so to speak.  And that’s not what it is, not that autistic people are incapable of manipulation (despite the belief they aren’t), but that’s not what this is usually or automatically.  Social skills aren’t being nice.  Social skills aren’t being polite.  Being nice and being polite are not synonymous, either.

If someone isn’t a native speaker of your language, they’re not going to rip off their head to reveal words falling out of a corpse.  If someone is autistic and learning your meta language this way is their form of coping, they’re not a Stepford Wife.  And you won’t necessarily realize they’re autistic at all, so just be nice to people. 

I spent most of my life undiagnosed, but learning social skills was absolutely necessary for survival, as was learning to “pass”.

And by “social skills”, I mean, “making any kind of facial expression is better than making no facial expression”, and I STILL didn’t learn that until my 20’s, really. When you have no idea what you lack, you can’t even go out of your way to “Fix” it.

“Strange and inappropriate facial expressions” comes off as eccentric and awkward, but people hate, with actually real vitriolic HATE, someone who doesn’t make any facial expressions whatsoever. They put whatever they want there, and most of the time, it’s whatever they most FEAR you’re thinking or feeling.

So many people hated me because they thought I hated them. Just because I have a bony, sharp face that, combined with a monotone voice and saying exactly what’s on my mind, is a recipe for people hating the everloving shit out of me.

(Source: mommy-cuteella)

"True gender equality is actually perceived as inequality. A group that is made up of 50% women is perceived as being mostly women. A situation that is perfectly equal between men and women is perceived as being biased in favor of women.
And if you don’t believe me, you’ve never been a married woman who kept her family name. I have had students hold that up as proof of my “sexism.”
My own brother told me that he could never marry a woman who kept her name because “everyone would know who ruled that relationship.” Perfect equality – my husband keeps his name and I keep mine – is held as a statement of superiority on my part."

Lucy, When Worlds Collide: Fandom and Male Privilege. (via seaofbadstories)

I might have reblogged this already but it’s so good I don’t care.

(via stfufauxminists)

Kyriarchy in action. (via transstingray)

Also the study where they had women and men talking in a discussion and when women spoke around 30% of the time, men perceived them as dominating the discussion. They didn’t consider it “equal” until something like 5-10% of women talking. (via dumbthingswhitepplsay)

Voila. A beautiful example of why fighting for equality becomes a gross exaggeration in the eyes of the oppressors. (via curiouslycool)

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attackofopportunity:

spicyobsession:

fuckyeahfanficflamingo:


[WRITE FIRST FEMALE CHARACTER IN YEARS (Fanfic Flamingo) DON’T KNOW HOW TO WRITE OWN GENDER ANYMORE]


I knew this blog was gonna piss me someday. Today’s the day guys!
This is the shit I’m talking and ranting about. Look at that shit. The author wrote male characters for years to the point where she can’t even write from what is essentially her own POV anymore. Fuck this. This is why I write so much womencentric fic. THIS. THIS FUCKING POST. I can’t even type properly right now. 
It’s horrifying to think how much sexism fandom’s internalized to produce this kind of confession. Everything about our stories, our experiences, our feelings, our characters—all of that’s completely subsumed by The Male Character Experience. Some of us have this profoundly huge disconnect to our own LIVES that render us incapable of even writing about a woman that isn’t somehow connected to some fucking man. 
OUR NARRATIVES MATTER. OUR CHARACTERS MATTER. WE FUCKING MATTER. 
Get the fuck out, OP. Examine your fucking choices. 
And laugh at this all you want. My blood pressure just shot up from reading this. 

^^^ This is important. And, honestly, it’s not just fanfiction. Look at published fiction. Even in books by female authors, most female characters are sidelined, and even the ones who are central tend to be underdeveloped. Writers learn to write stories not just by living, but by reading, and watching, other stories. People can have their own experiences, but not know how to tell stories about those experiences because storytelling is so centered on white men.
It’s a hard trap to break out of, but it’s still important to work on breaking out of it.

I was just talking about this a week or two ago, on the idea of “male gaze” as a launching point, and expanding it to “normative gaze”, which in our society is abled white cisman. The overwhelming bulk of existent narratives even when written by people who fall outside the demographic of “normative gaze” as specified, often adheres to these narratives.

attackofopportunity:

spicyobsession:

fuckyeahfanficflamingo:

[WRITE FIRST FEMALE CHARACTER IN YEARS (Fanfic Flamingo) DON’T KNOW HOW TO WRITE OWN GENDER ANYMORE]

I knew this blog was gonna piss me someday. Today’s the day guys!

This is the shit I’m talking and ranting about. Look at that shit. The author wrote male characters for years to the point where she can’t even write from what is essentially her own POV anymore. Fuck this. This is why I write so much womencentric fic. THIS. THIS FUCKING POST. I can’t even type properly right now. 

It’s horrifying to think how much sexism fandom’s internalized to produce this kind of confession. Everything about our stories, our experiences, our feelings, our characters—all of that’s completely subsumed by The Male Character Experience. Some of us have this profoundly huge disconnect to our own LIVES that render us incapable of even writing about a woman that isn’t somehow connected to some fucking man. 

OUR NARRATIVES MATTER. OUR CHARACTERS MATTER. WE FUCKING MATTER. 

Get the fuck out, OP. Examine your fucking choices. 

And laugh at this all you want. My blood pressure just shot up from reading this. 

^^^ This is important. And, honestly, it’s not just fanfiction. Look at published fiction. Even in books by female authors, most female characters are sidelined, and even the ones who are central tend to be underdeveloped. Writers learn to write stories not just by living, but by reading, and watching, other stories. People can have their own experiences, but not know how to tell stories about those experiences because storytelling is so centered on white men.

It’s a hard trap to break out of, but it’s still important to work on breaking out of it.

I was just talking about this a week or two ago, on the idea of “male gaze” as a launching point, and expanding it to “normative gaze”, which in our society is abled white cisman. The overwhelming bulk of existent narratives even when written by people who fall outside the demographic of “normative gaze” as specified, often adheres to these narratives.

anything that has white people as a protagonist sucks

fantastic-nonsense:

girljanitor:

fantastic-nonsense:

someothermonstra:

fantastic-nonsense:

crackerhell:

also anything written by white people about PoC sucks

Read anything by Tamora Pierce, Riley?

you mean the same Tamora Pierce whose main characters are consistently white, even in a book about Brown people fighting against the colonizers in their country?  

you mean the same Tamora Pierce whose first series included a book in who had a plot point wherein a white female character essentially went into a small community of Brown people and taught them about sexism?  the same Tamora Pierce where—in that same first series—had a white king take up a position of cultural power & importance from that same group of white people?  i could go on, but it’s a while since i’ve read her books.  

like her shit all you want, but don’t fucking kid yourself that she’s free from problematic shit.  >|

You mean the same Tamora Pierce who consistently includes non-white people in central roles in her book, the same Tamora Pierce who has two out of four main characters in her Emelan series as ‘people of color’ and who consistently portrays characters as characters, regardless of what color they are? You mean the same Tamora Pierce that is basically one of the best examples of YA feminist literature you will ever encounter?

You mean the same Tamora Pierce that, when that female was forced to stay in the ‘small community of brown people’ because she killed their evil shaman and their law dictated she must stay until someone killed her or she trained someone to take her place, she selects three Gifted children, two of which happen to be girls, to train, and though the People spoke out, she calmly pointed out that they were the ones available at the time and that they had no problem letting HER be their shaman so why should having another female be their shaman be any different? She acted as she always had: as a warrior, as a knight, because she was one by that time. She did not teach the community anything about sexism; they came to that decision themselves by watching Alanna train her apprentices and what the girls accomplished on their own. And if you remember, the whole point of the series was Alanna proving that she was just as good as any man, to EVERYONE. If you remember, she had to cross-dress and pretend to be a boy until she was outed right after she got knighted because that was the only way she’d be able to be a knight? The entire POINT of the series was that sexism is wrong. Why does that particular instance have any particular bearing in this conversation?

You mean the same Tamora Pierce who has women of all classes and ethnicities working in various jobs of all kinds? Knight, mage, Knight, Spy, Police, weaver, Metalsmith, ruler, QUEEN, financial manager, dancers, business people, herbalists and botanists, healers, authors…I could go on.

You mean the same Tamora Pierce who had a prince that happened to be white take up the throne that was rightfully his? You mean the same Tamora Pierce who, when a ‘white’ girl got kidnapped and ended up being a spy in a rebellion, helped put the rightful ruler (who was ‘brown’ or whatever Dove was) on the throne? She was not the main player; she was a helper. Let’s not forget Pierce’s numerous, numerous, capable ‘non-white’ characters that appear everywhere, from the Yamani Islands to Galla, to Carthak. Tamora Pierce has a wildly diverse world, with a similar wildly diverse cast of characters. No, she is not without her flaws: nobody is, regardless of their skin color. But Pierce does something that many, many authors do not.

She does not focus on their color. She focuses on their personality and their skills, their words and actions. They are PEOPLE, not a color. They are described, and their CULTURE is described. She mastered the art of having diverse characters without focusing on ‘OMG DIVERSITY!’

Both Briar and Daja are ‘non-white.’ Daja is, as far as I’ve been able to tell, black. She’s also bi, but it’s not really relevant in this particular conversation. Briar is harder. He’s not black, but he’s definitely not white.  I’m not really sure.

Numair? Not white. One of the most accomplished mages in Pierce’s world, and one of only seven black robes. Immensely capable. I could name more. Nawat.

You mean the same Pierce that had a world that was full of rich, developed characters of both genders, all ethnicities and races, and various sexual identities?

You mean that Tamora Pierce?

You know what? I haven’t read the books, but judging by your words, it sounds pretty problematic. YOUR words, not anyone else’s.

Because “she does not focus on their color.” Fuck your “non-white.” Fucking NON-White. Fuck that.

Fuck that. I want a book that focuses on their color. I want a book full of long brown limbs, full, lush afros, slippery straight blue-black hair, monolids, golden-skinned and bronze-skinned people laughing in the sun. I want innocent, mahogany-cheeked maidens. I want heavily gowned, beringed and bejeweled stiff-corseted Queens with their small, clever, dark-skinned hands quick upon their embroidery hoops and calloused from weapons training. I want a book full of black eyes like forest pools and full lips and flat noses and broad features. I want a book that celebrates beautiful, magical, mystical, people of color.

Orphan boys who train dragons and becomes kings-OF COLOR.

Sword-wielding, armor-wearing, gender-flouting woman warriors-OF COLOR.

Cowardly comical middle aged wizards who may be more competent than they get credit for-OF COLOR.

Conflicted heroes whose destiny weighs heavily on their brows-OF COLOR.

I HAVE ZERO NEED FOR “NON-WHITE” CHARACTERS.

I have no need for characters who are

‘brown’ or whatever Dove was

I have EVERY need for characters of amazing, gorgeous, glorious, fucking SATURATED color.

I want them all.

You know, I was trying not to offend people by calling them non-white. I said non-white because just saying ‘black’ does not encompass Pierce’s characters. There are characters who are white, black, and everything in between. she has the equivalent of Asians and Egyptian, of Africans and Filipino, and Latina; everything. Saying ‘non-white’ was the best way to describe them.  

PEOPLE OF COLOR

PEOPLE OF COLOR

PEOPLE OF COLOR

PEOPLE OF COLOR

Also not all people of color ARE BLACK, for fucks sakes. do you even think before you type?

seriously are you the kind of white person that looks around and whispers the words “black people”? because that’s how you’re coming off right now

There ARE those people in her books. Since you haven’t read them, obviously you don’t know. What I MEANT (and what you obviously can’t see) is that their color does not define who they are. Their character does not revolve around them being black. Their character simply IS black. Sword-wielding, armor-wearing, gender flouting women warriors of color? Done. Queen’s Riders. Yamani Island warriors. There are more than that; those are just the two off the top of my head.

Princess/Queen Thayet. Buri.

I’ve read reviews of the books that I trust. They’ve actually been on my to-read list for quite  awhile. I love fantasy so of necessity a read about a shitton of white people all the fuckin time. I don’t have a problem with the books, since I HAVEN’T READ THEM, as you say. You’re making a lot of assumptions about me regarding my opinion on this writer and these books.

Conflicted heroes of color whose destiny weighs heavily on their brows? Done. Daja. Briar. Dove. Dove especially. Daja and Briar are just main characters who are consistently under a lot of pressure to do things like save countries and catch mass murderers. It’s not necessarily DESTINY so much as it is that they have chosen the path they take.

Since boys are not the focus of Pierce’s writing, you get instead a woman of color (multiple women of color, actually) becoming Queen/Ruler of her people. There’s not really any dragon-taming in Pierce’s books, since the Dragons are all off in the Realms of the Gods (oh…did I mention that many of the countries in Pierce’s worlds are pantheistic? It’s very interesting). It’s not necessary. Technically, you have Liam. He’s not a dragon-tamer though. He’s just called the Shang Dragon. Just a master martial artist who goes around kicking butt and saving people everywhere. PoC.

Cowardly comical middle age wizards of color who are more competent than they are given credit for? Done. Well…they’re definitely not cowardly, so to speak. Yarrun Firetamer. (That’s just off the top of my head. Come back later if you want for more once I actually look)

“I want heavily gowned, beringed and bejeweled stiff-corseted Queens with their small, clever, dark-skinned hands quick upon their embroidery hoops and calloused from weapons training.” Done. Queen Thayet. Princess Kalasin. Dove. Sarai, who, though refusing her crown to run off with a Carthaki student, was the raka’s Chosen Queen. Again, come back later and I can give you more.

I was unsure if Dove was ‘black’ or a lighter brown due to the fact that Sarai (her sister) was described as having a more golden-brown color, as she is mixed race. I have since looked her up. Dove is fully raka, which means she is black.

They are fully described as beautiful, wonderful people. Their looks are described. They are fully competent and capable people. Thank you, and have a wonderful day.

Yep, books sound good, with some definite White Savior issues which I think I’ll do a writeup about after I read em.

You however are a smarmy cunt and I don’t like you. :D